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I’m 55 years old….Honest Question

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Redsteel, Sep 18, 2022.

  1. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    that was a fluke catch for the TD. 9 times out of 10 with that coverage he doesn't make that catch. the fumbled punt is a player wanting so bad to stick it to his old team. he even said as much. he was busy not taking care of the ball and looking at where the defender was so he could return it. bad judgement on gunners part. fundamentals are poor.

    one more thing is the stupid defense we were playing so much of. as MT stated, since we were down OLB'ers we moved a DE over to that spot to create a pass rush and constantly playing two down linemen, so none get to the QB with pressure so we keep doing the same thing and hoping for different results. we are a pressure based defense which can't get pressure, so we throw an extra DB to cover what we are not getting from the front and neither are working so we just keep doing it. keith butler defensive game plan continues. you play one defense and the other team adjusts and you don't. hmmmm. there is no mix up to confuse the other team, because we don't want to confuse ourselves. :cool:
     
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  2. jamie

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    Here’s the truth and it is not just about Belichick and the Patriots, we are talking about Tomlin and his skill set and what he actually brings to the position. He is a terrible head coach with no X’s and O’s ability just one line cliches and aviators. He is out coached a lot in strategy, adjustments and time out challenges. His teams are flat and unprepared and play down to their opponents, how many times has his team lost to inferior competition. He is a players coach, dancing in Tik Tok videos and high fiving guys but then tries to flip the switch and be a stern leader figure it comes across as fake. Mentally he is in over his head but the biggest failure is his enablers the Rooney’s and the media. They have changed a franchise that was once judged on Super Bowl victories to now be about winning seasons, which get you mediocrity. As a life long Steeler fan, I remember when we used to use AFC championship trophies during the Noll years to prop open the weight room door with Tomlin we can’t even sniff one. This is the reality of this franchise and what it has become.
     
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  3. Fe3CCity

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    You guys remember in the 3rd quarter when we went hurry up and we're moving the ball.

    I wonder how those plays were being called.

    *It may not have been the 3rd but there was 1 drive we looked like and offense.
     
  4. Steelers4tim

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    Great post, jamie! Dumblin has made losing football games in Pittsburgh acceptable again, and many fans and some in the media are OK with it...f*** that! Look at the roster he inherited in 2007, and look at the roster he has built now. This is a damn disgrace to all Steelers fans and former players, IMO.


    #firetomlin
     
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  5. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    It's not my job to hold Tomlin accountable. Nor is it my job constantly blame Tomlin for everything.

    I look at the mistakes on the field as to why the team loss. I can point many of the mistakes and point them out easily.
     
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  6. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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  7. Steelers4tim

    Steelers4tim Well-Known Member

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    I understand what you are saying, Burgh, and that's a very popular opinion among some in our fan base. Not being a smart-@ss here, but how many more years of NOT winning a Championship would it take for you to hold Tomlin accountable for his job (in your eyes), and exactly when would you start blaming him for what's going on with our football team....5 more years.....10 more years.....20 more years.....25+ more years???

    I'm serious, how many more years without a Championship before you want a new football coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers? :shrug:


    #firetomlin
     
  8. santeesteel

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    I can’t speak for Burgh but, for some of us here, we wouldn’t mind getting a new coach but we realize that no matter how much the fans wank, nothing will change until the Rooney’s say it will.
     
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  9. SDOT

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    I lost what little hope I had after this game. We had a terrible Patriots team come into Pittsburgh. A coach who had 10 years of experience with Belichick and the Patriots and we still LOST. There's no hope. Tomlin could have their playbook and still lose. He's terrible.
     
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  10. AFan

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    Steelers with a 21 point lead? I suppose you could see a unicorn.
     
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  11. Steel Hog

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    Well, he did ensure that he was playing with 11 players on that play compared to our 10 and the uncovered player made the play. Could that be a strategic move?
     
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  12. Steel Hog

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    Absolutely, but I thinks its more comprehensive that just that. We lost because of Offense, Defense, ST, coaching. Offense scored enough to win if ST did f up the punt. D would be enough to win if the O kept their asses on the field for more than 3 plays and they could of been better able to get the ball back with 6 mins left. It's all phases at this point which is why this is a team sport as we all know. This isn't a team clicking in unison yet, I stress yet. Could change but time is not unlimited. JMO>
     
  13. Steel Hog

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    Without Ben, we'll see if it mattered in MT's run of not having a losing season. If we do have a losing season this year, how many will make a case that it was Ben that was holding this together for so long. Who knows. One thing is for sure, winning will cure all that ails us. JMO>
     
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  14. BURGH43STEL

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    It's extremely difficult to win in professional sports. It even more difficult to win a championship. Knowing these things I adjusted my perspective as a fan.

    Sports are not only about the championship wins for me. So I will take the winning and competitive seasons until the Steelers can put another championship winner together. It may not happen in my life time. It took the Steelers from 1979 until 2005 before they won another championship.

    Considering and weighing all the circumstances and factors it might take 3 to 4 consecutive losing seasons before the Steelers move on from Tomlin. That will coincide with KP's early career. The Steelers will know what they have in KP into his 3 or 4th season or maybe sooner. The Steelers may or may not choose to go in another direction.

    Only one individual is responsible for everything that happens within the Steelers organization. That isn't Tomlin.
     
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  15. steelersrule6

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    If you were a real Steelers fan, you would be aware the Steelers beat the Patriots a few years ago when Haden made that interception off of Brady.
     
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  16. steelersrule6

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    Belicheck didn't do anything special, if Gunner didn't muff that punt, the Steelers probably win the game.
     
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  17. steelersrule6

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    They didn't have a losing season in 2019 without Ben.
     
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  18. Dagmire

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    They aren't settling for below average, just average. Everyone is so enamored by his brilliance to have never had a losing season. I guess that's a good thing for other fans. I've been wanting a new HC since 2016. I don't care if our HC is black, white, purple or green... I just want won who wins and doesn't settle for average
     
  19. bleednblackngold

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    I'm 56 and I'm starting to fear I'm going to have to re-live the 80's, but with less hair
     
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  20. Ytownsteeler

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    I was mostly in the middle on Tomlin for years . He won a lot of games and I had hope we could reach super bowl contenders again. Then Inwatched the last afc championship game against the patriots. What a crap show that was where belicheat depantsed tomlin and I gave up of us being a real contender until new coach takes over. We are light years from being a real contender either loser oc and crap offense and poor scheme. Tomlin is head cheerleader of the middle of th slack team for the rest of his tenure
     
  21. Ytownsteeler

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    But hey who does not like the tomlinisms
    Standard is the standard even if means never winning even a wildcard playoff game.
    We will own this loss. He will be saying this one a lot this year with Canada loser offense.
     
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  22. Kreighoff

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    I still can t believe that with all the brain power we supposedly have on defense we still cannot defend the middle of the field. The Patriots QB is average at best but throwing 7 yd slants and crossing routes to open receivers is not that difficult. I did not notice any adjustments to stop a game of pitch and catch.
    Its maddening we ignore the middle of the field on offense and give it over easily on defense. Unless we get pressure teams will continue to pick us apart over the middle.

    Many on here say they saw our receivers open and Mitch hesitated or missed them, I didn t see too many wide open WR's.
    Third and 8 and throwing to a back or WR who is standing still 2 yds past the line of scrimmage is insane. Unless you have Barry Sanders that play has maybe a 6% chance of making a first down.
    Harris seams tentative and needs to stop bouncing everything outside, he doesn t have blazing speed anyway. Hit the hole and get something is way better than getting strung out for a 2 yd loss.
     
  23. groutbrook

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    The Bengals just had a very strong showing in the SB, seconds away from capping a winning season with a championship.
    The Bengals.
    The Cincinnati Bengals.
     
  24. Scrap

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    Ugh, you are by far the cringiest person on this site.
     
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  25. Scrap

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    No sensible, knowledgeable football fan would see firing Mike Tomlin as a sensible move. It is far more likely we would be unable to replace him with a more respected coach or better football mind. That said, no sensible football fan would not recognize some amount of fault rests on Tomlin. He is the head coach it is hardly surprising or meaningful he should share some of the blame. It is only in very rare situations you are justified in laying the blame for a loss at one person's feet. Gunner's muffed punt would be close but the game was still winnable even after that. You could even argue that Sutton's muffed interception was even more shameful and damning. Even with those two major blunders you could still make a good argument the real reason for the loss was due to Trubisky's uncoordinated and startled movements, poor decision making, and just completely inept field vision.

    After a bit of analysis it becomes clear the TEAM just lost and the blame goes around. As far as the offense, some might be on the fence on whether it is more on Trubisky or Canada but I gotta say I am not impressed at all be either. It seems, even if sound plays were called Trubisky would still be playing as goofy as he has been and even if he was on a roll and playing like a stud it would only get us so far due to the non-sensical and far too conservative play calling.

    It looked like our WRs were getting open... especially, Pickens. If I could say one thing about Pickett it would be that he plays ice cold and goes through his progressions quite impressively. The exact things the Trubisky seems to be lacking at the moment. So the main thing I blame Tomlin for is probably that. Trubisky is not the future and the competition through out camp and preseason was close enough that the 24 year old, 4 year starter should be in there. I do not see how it is even up for debate at this point honestly.
     
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