Mike Wallace vs Baltimore last Sunday

What do you mean AB hasn't "produced" on the same level as Wallace? Brown was the FIRST player in NFL history to have 1,000 receiving yards and 1,000 return yards. Does that count for anything? Wallace has world class speed and average to below average skill sets in every other category. And I'm not sure the FA market will determine his value. Some over-covetous team like the Raiders may pay a premium for his speed and get burned.

 

I agree with mac here - AB is on the rise. To say that he has clearly established himself as the best is simply not true. That's not to knock him; it's just a point about what counts as 'clearly established'.

 

Ok I agree. Just for clarification I do not LITERALLY hate Mike Wallace. But I wouldn't honestly want people to think I do. Tomlin Era gave me that name and I just thought it was kinda funny because I've been so aggravated since the Rats game and the Bungles game. Regardless though I DO want him gone after this year. But outside of football I'd give him the shirt off my back.

 

We'll agree to disagree. I realize I may be a little biased against Wallace because of what I perceive to be his unwillingness to negotiate in good faith or at least in a reasonable manner. But I do try to be objective when evaluating the talent of AB vs. Wallace and to me, it's not even close:
Speed: Wallace
Hands: Brown
Route Running: Brown
YAC: Brown
Adjusting to ball: Brown
Catching at highest point: Brown
Not giving up on pass/fighting for ball: Brown
Special teams value: Brown

I really believe that the Steelers coaching staff and front office feel the same way, that's why they were so quick to lock up AB after Wallace thumbed his nose at $50 million.

 

I second Jack's motion. I feel like and I may be wrong but the way I always think of Wallace catching the ball is more against his body and AB is more with his hands. Therefore AB can go up and get it and he will too.

 

I dont see Mikey 7 drops as being a slant kind of receiver or any type of play which is going to end up with contact. His one trick pony stuff as Tomlin calls it is his forte. Beat the corner to the ball with pure and unbridled speed. If that's not in the cards and it appears with Haleys offense it's not I wonder about his overall usefullness

Bman

 

BFT I want my hat in the ring as well for the clubs. But I would like to call the clubs

1/ I dont think Mike Wallace is worth the money club

2/ So far so good with Todd Haley. Don't love him but don't hate him club

Bman

 

People if you study AB and Mike Wallace its really quite

simple who the better receiver is. Yes you all say well AB hasn't scored TD's.

He will, give him time. Watch the feet,watch how they catch the ball, watch the seperation

from the defensive back watch how aggressive each goes and gets the ball

Ab is uncoverable, where Mike has exceptional speed his other parts of his game

are average. Please watch closely.

 

Personaly I'm sick of Wallace. With the hold out and now he seems to have forgot how to catch or even try hard. I doubt he's a Steeler next year.

 

Dude you are a great poster on this board but this one don't make sense, he a good receiver but has to hold on to the ball and quit fumbling? All the things that great receivers don't do.If he wants Fitz's money he has a long way to go.

 

who replaces him in this offense is my question? he has their best defender and usually alot of help from a safety. AB has the #2 defender which then turns into double teams when wallace is gone. AB not getting in the EZ should increase after they put 2 guys on him is what you guys are saying. does this remotely make sense? where will our scoring come from?

i love AB, and was one of if not the first to tell you guys what a steal we got when most never heard of him, but he's just not that #1 type of receiver. nor was he in college with all his yardage. he's a great #2. without a #1 guy to make plays and take some heat off the others, we are not as good of a receiving corp. this isn't just a AB vs. wallace deal, it's a whole offense that will suffer. they make each other better.

the guy that really needs to step it up is sanders. he's on their 3rd best or a safety mostly. he should be making lots more plays. then we want to move him in as our #2 with AB at #1, i'm not so sure we are going to be a better team that way. that's my 2cents worth.

 

i think haley and BA tried to do this as bubble screens to him instead of the shot he could take on slants and willingness to not get aligator arms on those plays. i think they know he won't catch them with a chance of getting killed, so we still get him in space with less chance of the blindside hit. you have to be a special dude to catch the ball across the middle on a regular basis. most # 1 receivers look first, catch second. kind of like a qb sliding down or throwing the ball away. coaches would rather see that then an injured qb or #1 wr. now heath punishes them for hitting him. wallace would be broken. maybe the new kid will take after heath. 2 of those on the field will give defenders fits. i like that.

 

alot of people hate them, but we have used the effectively. we have the players to make them work. wallace,AB,rainey. any of these guys can go all the way with their speed and quickness. it's a safe play but you have to mix the looks of it up all the time. teams will get on to it.

 

I'm not a bubble screen fan either but if you're going to throw it, why throw it to Wallace. Wallace is not a great YAC catch guy and has trouble negotiating through traffic. AB is the best bubble screen guy on the team and Sanders does better than Wallace at YAC, but it seems that Haley (or Ben) want to throw the bubble screen to Wallace more than any other receiver on the team. I don't ever remember him taking one for more than 4 or 5 yards.

 

Lets face it, some over zealous owner is going to OVER PAY
for Mike Wallace. Nobody is holding a gun to these owners
heads when they do so. And the sad thing about all this is
we will only receive compensation picks. This is where our FO
(even though they seem to be able to recognize WR talent)
needed to make a deal with somebody early in the process
and secure a 2nd rd or a player at another position of equal value
that could help us to get where we want to be.

 

Aye, fair enough. And just to clarify: my point is not that AB is better or worse than Wallace. My point is that a lot of hope is getting invested in AB and being expressed as fact. He's a young guy, and I very much hope that - as Wardismvp said - he will develop. But at the moment you can't call a hope that he becomes a HOFer enough to claim that he's head and shoulders above Wallace. Like mac said, receiver output has a number of factors affecting it which aren't always noticed, so we can't guarantee that Brown will develop the way we all want him to.

That said, it's a good hope to have, and not exactly without reason.

 

i see all you guys saying you wanted him if he would have signed for 50 mil. or less but because he didn't , he's not worth having.

 

I agree that AB still has a long way to go before we can declare him the next great Steeler receiver. The problem, based on his unwllingness to come to a reasonable contract agreement with the Steelers, is that Wallace already thinks he IS the next great Steeler receiver even though he still has A LOT to prove himself. I like that you have hope for AB and my hope is that Wallace will get down off his high horse, negotiate in good faith and come to a reasonable contractual agreement with the team. Unfortunately, I don't believe that will happen and Wallace will sell himself to the highest bidder in the offseason.

 

i still think our best bet is to have them all together for year two in this offense. i don't think we have seen it's full effectiveness yet. they are still learning it as far as it becoming second nature. the only part i want fixed is the O-line. then we could see the jugernaut that it could be.

 

With the eventual return of David DeCastro, as well as experience for Adams and Colon at the guard position, this line can only get better. I believe Dwyer and Will Johnson still have room to grow as well. Sanders is playing much better this year than last year. I honestly believe that we are not far away from this offense clicking on all cylinders. The question is, can it happen this year? Can we get on a run just before the playoffs and carry it through, like the run we went on in 2005. That's what I'm looking for.

 

who knows if they can this year. we have been beat up for two years in a row. i'd sure like to see us healthy for the most part for a year. colon , i'm not so sure he's the answer but, we will see. they need to fix harrisons knee as soon as the season is over and not wait til training camp to fix these guys offseason injuries. that has hurt us as much as anything.

 

I wonder how much of Harrison's issues were that he was not doing much because of his back, then when he started hitting the gridiron is when the knee issue developed. I don't remember hearing about his knee issue before the preseason.

 

i don't think his back had anything to do with it, but last year he was playing but also still hurting because of the back. he had since brought his full weight training up to where it was before the back injury. he had knee swelling at different times before this. surgery is the last thing he wanted to do i think. he opted for the less invasive arthroscopic surgery to see if it would help. they may have to cut on him. he's probably dealing with some arther in there but the scope should have taken some of that. he doesn't have the range of motion in it that he had before. i'm not a DR. but i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.