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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, May 24, 2022.

  1. burghfan58

    burghfan58 Well-Known Member

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    I still cannot understand why so many people believe Dobbs was such a good QB. He threw one pass coming off the bench and for some reason it gives him elite status. I remember Ben going out injured against the Raiders with a lead in hand and Dobbs playing so horribly an injured Ben had to make his way back onto the field to lead what could have been game winning TD only for our defense give up a quick TD to lose the game. Dobbs is not the great QB so many want to give him credit for.
     
  2. Brice

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    To me Dobbs in 2019 would have been a great QB for the Steelers down the stretch, when comparing him to the guy that played in his place Duck Hodges.

    We received a 5th round pick for Dobbs and had to play Duck Hodges in the 2nd half of the season, missing the Playoffs by 1 game.
     
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  3. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

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    I would tend to agree that Hobbs would definitely have played better than duck. And I'll give him leeway in being 3rd string after the trade to the Jags as it takes time. But the next year he could not even beat out a 6th round scrub from Oregon St as a back up. Even all the talk about great coaching or OC potential is just that, talk. From accounts I only have heard one play he actually helped develop or bring into a game. There may be more of course, but until he does something he is still a 3rd string back up in the league.
     
  4. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    he has a winning record. :smiley1::cool:
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Cowher never said he is going to be 3rd string, he said he is going to sit and learn, something along those lines. Do you know how demoralizing it would be to hear you are 3rd string regardless of what you do?

    It’s just coach speak anyway, means you aren’t being handled anything, I’m sure Ben would have earned 2nd string regardless of Batch’ injury.

    I can’t believe people are arguing this lol.
     
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  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    why not? he was a rookie from miami of ohio. the coach didn't want to draft him. alan faneca wasn't to keen on the rookie starting if i remember. :cool:
     
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  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    11th pick of the draft, thats why. Has any QB ever in the modern age been drafted that high and been 3rd string?

    We’ll never know if Cowher would have been that dumb but I seriously doubt Ben would have started the season 3rd string.

    And Faneca didn’t have a problem with Ben, he went to him and explained no one likes to lose their starting QB.
     
  8. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I can't believe You are arguing this. :shrug:
    Cowher said it, Stan said it , and countless others said it.
    AGAIN....this is not saying He would have stayed 3rd string, but without any injuries AGAIN....from what coaches, and others said He would have started the season as 3rd string.
     
  9. AFan

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    The legend of Josh Dobbs is based on three things:
    1) he’s very smart - we can imagine he’s a Peyton Manning-like OC on the field
    2) he’s athletic - We can imagine Lamar Jackson but less reckless
    3) he never played enough to dispel the first two notions

    in his 5yr career to date, the “great QB” Josh Dobbs threw all of 17 passes for a whopping 45 yds. As bad as Duck was he did at least that in 6 separate games. I see zero evidence that Dobbs would have done better in ‘19 than the guys who played.
     
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  10. Confluence

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    w Watson pending suspension/ league punishment more than a good chance we see Dobbs next year vs. the Browns - shld be interesting...
    are they keeping Mayfield?
     
  11. Formerscribe

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    If they get stuck keeping Mayfield, Dobbs likely doesn't make the team. If not, he is still behind Brissett if and when Watson misses time.
     
  12. Confluence

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    ok so its Brissett, I was wondering who they had besides Dobbs, Brissett will be there QB, unlikely to see Dobbs
     
  13. jeh1856

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    Steelcityfanatic:

    First welcome

    Second read what Sir Scribe wrote very slowly. Take it all in. See if you can find the flaw in your thoughts.
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    different time back then. free agency wasn't quite like today and you could hold your players a little longer. rookies didn't play very often here at that time. faneca only changed his tune when the media blew it up. :cool:
     
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  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    :rolleyes:

    No, Cowher didn’t say that but keep making things up to fit your narrative. This all started because someone said wasn’t Ben third string and he was, in camp.

    If you think he would have been 3rd string once camp broke, ok, people believe silly things all the time. It’s especially funny coming from someone who normally slobbers all over Ben, though :lolol:
     
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  16. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Yes Cowher did say it. I heard it out of His mouth on Pittsburgh Sports Beat. For the 500th time this does not mean He would have stayed there, but that's how they wanted 2 start the season.....unless Cowher, Stan , and the rest just lied. :shrug:
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Then you are misremembering because no coach is going to say at the start of preseason that my #1 pick will be 3rd string regardless of how he plays in preseason.

    What does make sense is that towards the end of camp Cowher probably spoke about their plans to have Ben sit and learn for a year.
     
  18. FootballAnalyst98

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    Pickett should start. If he's who everyone here says he is he should be starting week 1. He has all the tools and was the most nfl ready from what I'm being told.
     
  19. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    OK. LoL
     
  20. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Yes he did
     
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  21. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Bill Cowher on Roethlisberger:

    Tommy remained our starter

    Charlie Batch was his backup

    He’d have a year in our system without any pressure or responsibility

    We didn’t expect him to play much during the season

    We told Ben the plan and he said he understood and accepted it

    jeh:

    Now I admit times have changed and Mitch and Mason aren’t Tommy and Charlie

    But Ben was 3rd and the intent was for him to stay 3rd

    And when he was forced to come in they really had to dumb down the offense
     
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  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don’t buy it, Jeh. 2004 wasn’t that long ago that an 11th pick of the draft would have been 3rd string.

    And if that was Cowhers intention then I say he is full of **** when he counters Arts version of drafting Ben. Because the only way a coach is making the 11th pick of the draft a 3rd string Qb is if he was pissed at having to draft him.
     
  23. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anybody claimed that Cowher said Roethlisberger would be third-string no matter what happened, but he absolutely said that the plan was for Roethlisberger to sit and learn behind the two veterans his rookie season. That plan was blown up when Batch got hurt in preseason. I'm sure Roethlisberger's play would have blown it up at some point, but based on the comments at the time, I believe we would have seen Batch, not Roethlisberger, when Maddox was injured against the Ravens if Batch had been healthy.
     
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  24. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    Nope. No need to rush Pickett into the starting role unless injuries to other QBs occur. Pickett looks to be a good QB, but he's not as ready as say... Trevor Lawrence or Joe Burrow.
     
  25. burghfan58

    burghfan58 Well-Known Member

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    So apparently Rudolph is putting some athleticism on display at the OTAs. I still say you cannot count him out yet. There is a reason Trubisky is with his 3rd team. Yet, he is the best QB on our roster to never play a down for us. I'm still hoping Rudolph beats him out.
     
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